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Thomas:< · May 04, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

That's the thing: you aren't. All you are doing is trying to insult people and spin fallacies as valid arguments. Please go back and read the whole thread, every point you think you have has been addressed and refuted.

Prove it. Please. I read all 21 pages of this thread (graphics card fried! Who can blame me :|) and didn't find a single, solid argument as to why people deserve to play these 'Elite Missions' and I also didn't find any reason for the whine. This whole thread is comprimised of whine, in a nutshell, people are whining when they have no reason to whine.

I'm just trying to point that out, some people are just too stubborn to support ArenaNet, and think that everything ArenaNet does is out to get them. If there is a problem, (eg, arenanet think there is a problem with elite missions) they will change the game mechanichs to fix it, until then, you just have to put up with it :\.

Another IRC quote:

00:51.28 ( rin`atwork ) the people in the thread try to blame elitism or whatever, when in fact they are idiots that jumped to conclusions when factions has been out for 1 week.....

He has a point, it's a bit early to be saying all this..

Evilsod · May 04, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Derek please leave this thread. You've contradicted yourself about 8 times in the last 3 pages. In the last 2 posts you've gone from 'i'm not elitist' to 'i am elitist'.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

Please.. logic is very sensible..

BTW: What does a pregnant logic student (female) reply to the question if it is a boy or a girl?
Yes.

Get it?

Doesn't have anything to do with the thread, for one, and for two, this is simply a quirk of the English language. In different languages this doesn't hold true. Logic is universal, on the other hand.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Derek please leave this thread. You've contradicted yourself about 8 times in the last 3 pages. In the last 2 posts you've gone from 'i'm not elitist' to 'i am elitist'.

Okay, sure I'll leave the thread. (Let's just see if I contradict this.)

Sir_BlackJack · May 05, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Doesn't have anything to do with the thread, for one, and for two, this is simply a quirk of the English language. In different languages this doesn't hold true. Logic is universal, on the other hand.

Oh.. I can't understand what you are saying but I will explain anyway.

Or is an operator in logical maths --> 1 or 1 holds = true, therefore she replies yes

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Thomas:<

Prove it. Please. I read all 21 pages of this thread (graphics card fried! Who can blame me :|) and didn't find a single, solid argument as to why people deserve to play these 'Elite Missions' and I also didn't find any reason for the whine. This whole thread is comprimised of whine, in a nutshell, people are whining when they have no reason to whine.

I'm just trying to point that out, some people are just too stubborn to support ArenaNet, and think that everything ArenaNet does is out to get them. If there is a problem, (eg, arenanet think there is a problem with elite missions) they will change the game mechanichs to fix it, until then, you just have to put up with it :\.

Thank you.

Iskrah · May 05, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

And what you've typed is just a series of letters on the internet. I am elitist, so? I'm playing the game just like everyone else, really, just without the bitching.

This a community website dedicated to talking about GW. It happens that a lot of fans of ANet are really displeased that the new orientation of the Guild Wars chapters is going towards encouraging GRINDING over skills. It's a contradiction when ANet asks you to take a break after 3hours of playing, and requires you to be in a group of hundreds of people organised to amass points, to get into a challenging intriguing mission.

And what are you doing exactly anyway? Bitching about bitches hu? That's the pot calling the kettle black. If you're fine with it, just roll with it ; if people wants to protest against it, they can do it without being called "noobs", "waste of time" by you elitist. Got that, okay?

Edit by Swehurn: Removed flames.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

Oh.. I can't understand what you are saying but I will explain anyway.

Or is an operator in logical maths --> 1 or 1 holds = true, therefore she replies yes

Again, saying "1 or 1" in that context is only a quirk of the English, and some other, languages. For example in Japanese it'd be expressed as the listener choosing between the two; it can never be confused as "Is it one of these?"

Evilsod · May 05, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Access to elite missions is exactly like access to owning FoW armor; you have to earn it, or find a friend that'll get you there.

No its not, earning FoW armour can be done with time but its a bonus. Its merely for viewing pleasure. Elite missions are part of the game that shouldn't be cut off from everyone just because we aren't in a massive alliance.

As for the 2nd part, what do you do then? Earn your badges or borrow them from a friend? Something tells me its the latter, you do bugger all just you can act like the 'elite'.

Edit by Swehurn: Removed flames.

Sir_BlackJack · May 05, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Thank you Iskrah. But I don't think he will understand your point. He will feel personally attacked and continue to defend his point of view. Until he has to realise that what 95 % of the people want more power has than his sole elitist point of view.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

This a community website dedicated to talking about GW. It happens that a lot of fans of ANet are really displeased that the new orientation of the Guild Wars chapters is going towards encouraging GRINDING over skills. It's a contradiction when ANet asks you to take a break after 3hours of playing, and requires you to be in a group of hundreds of people organised to amass points, to get into a challenging intriguing mission.

Get over it and don't buy Chapter 3 then. Hell, quit Guild Wars now. I guarantee you ArenaNet will be fine, and will easily make it to Chapter 4.

I never grinded, yet I was able to play the alliance missions; seriously, is that the best you've got?

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

And what are you doing exactly anyway? Bitching about bitches hu? That's the pot calling the kettle black. If you're fine with it, just roll with it ; if people wants to protest against it, they can do it without being called "noobs", "waste of time" by you elitist . Got that, okay?

I'm not bitching about bitches, I'm showing my support for ArenaNet and their designers' decisions about Guild Wars.

Edit by Swehurn: Deleted flames from referenced quote.

Sir_BlackJack · May 05, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Again, saying "1 or 1" in that context is only a quirk of the English, and some other, languages. For example in Japanese it'd be expressed as the listener choosing between the two; it can never be confused as "Is it one of these?"

It is not a quirk of language.. it is maths. But don't bother, it is probably a subject you don't like anyway

. Or you might do so. I don't know.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

No its not, earning FoW armour can be done with time but its a bonus.

Well, Elite Missions can be done without spending any time grinding. I doubt many people would say the same about FoW armor. So okay, it makes sense. You can either spend time to work for a bonus, or not spend time and get to play an Elite Mission.

Thomas:< · May 05, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

Is your understanding superior to anyone elses? I doubt it. Face it, people are upset because the a lot of us think it's ridiculous to force a mode of play upon us that was counter to why we bought the original game in the first place. It doesn't take too much to see that point of view does it?

Closing post before sleep but.

I disagree.

You, and people like you in this thread are 'upset'. There are more people in the world except you, that are absoloutely fine, they think its ok, its nice, nothing wrong with it, they are just not bored enough to post here.

Really, ArenaNet won't change something because of a few whiners on forums, that isn't a fair representation of the total playing population, ie: it represents zero of the high end pvp players, which are the probably the most important thing in Guild Wars now...

GWFC anyone? All I ask is that people stop whinging, stop trying to spoil the game for me and the rest that like it, and dont have to complain.

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I'm not bitching about bitches, I'm showing my support for ArenaNet and their designers' decisions about Guild Wars.

Word! <3 derek!

Sir_BlackJack · May 05, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I never grinded, yet I was able to play the alliance missions; seriously, is that the best you've got?

Look at me I'm elite. Look I have biiig hands.

Please Derek. Do you need to rub in other peoples face that you had access to something which they are not able to?

UndeadRoadkill · May 05, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Thomas:<

Prove it. Please. I read all 21 pages of this thread (graphics card fried! Who can blame me :|) and didn't find a single, solid argument as to why people deserve to play these 'Elite Missions' and I also didn't find any reason for the whine. This whole thread is comprimised of whine, in a nutshell, people are whining when they have no reason to whine.

I'm just trying to point that out, some people are just too stubborn to support ArenaNet, and think that everything ArenaNet does is out to get them. If there is a problem, (eg, arenanet think there is a problem with elite missions) they will change the game mechanichs to fix it, until then, you just have to put up with it :\.

Another IRC quote:

00:51.28 ( rin`atwork ) the people in the thread try to blame elitism or whatever, when in fact they are idiots that jumped to conclusions when factions has been out for 1 week.....

He has a point, it's a bit early to be saying all this..

Ok, Thomas, you're being civil now, and I won't immediately dismiss you.

It has been stated many times in the thread that you don't have to be a good player to get access to these missions, you just need a large alliance. If you don't have to be good to get in, why restrict access at all? If sucky players try to do it and fall flat on their faces, let them. If they start complaining thatit's too hard, I will be right behind you telling them to practice until they can do it.

There are plenty of things designers can reward good players with, we are saying that access to missions is a bad choice.

The other point is that simply by having this system in place, it breaks up small groups of friends. Some want to leave to join big alliances, because thats the only way to get in, others want to remain in a small intimate setting. Early as it may be, I feel the effects of the design already.

Shanaeri Rynale · May 05, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

I'm too old and cynical in GW terms to believe AN will change anything as fundimental as that, even if proven broken by the community. Favor being a case in point. Can't play with friends from around the world, 2 entire regions being shut out for 5 months, the mechanism for gaining it being completly unreleated to a players ability or interest in one area.

dry sense of humor mode on
At least ch3 is only six months away, maybe they'll take things a step further and restrict 10 people to the game at a time. The others will be clicking login, gaining enough login points to be able to play the game.

But thats fine, AN can do what they like and after all, all those people have the chance to access the content of the game right.

dry sense of humor off

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

It is not a quirk of language.. it is maths. But don't bother, it is probably a subject you don't like anyway

. Or you might do so. I don't know.

Your example is a quirk of language, specifically the English language. Translate that joke into Japanese and it wouldn't make any sense, even though logic in Japanese is the same. And mathematics is one of my strong points, along with Computer Science.

Gli · May 05, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I'm not bitching about bitches, I'm showing my support for ArenaNet and their designers' decisions about Guild Wars.

And ironically, our camp couldn't have a better example than yourself to illustrate how bad those decisions are.

MelechRic · May 05, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I'm not bitching about bitches, I'm showing my support for ArenaNet and their designers' decisions about Guild Wars.

You might want to go re-edit some of your posts then. At least the part where you quoted other people "bitching about bitches." Hmm, that sounds pretty deragotory.